ALL ABOUT ME?

(ME) Where does God end and man begin?
when is it really ever about "ME"?


(jgadbois74) Alright, while there is some debate that God may be manifestinghimself as individuals just to pass some time and have some company, youcan't deny that we each have an individual self awareness. Moments when this self awareness are transcended are few and far betewen.

Mostmystics seek the ability to experience the dissolution of the self while retaining consciousness, right? (really, is that right? I don'tknow)

So ME is inevitable. It's all about ME. Even the desire to mergewith divine consciousness is the desire to merge ME with it. And if it's not about ME for you, it doesn't REALLY matter.Because it's all really about... Me.

(me)No you are wrong.

"Most mystics> seek the ability to experience the dissolution of the self while> retaining consciousness, right?"

NO this is "black magick" so to speak....Its like making love with acondom. You're either giving yourself or you arent. As my wise girlfriend says "you're not half pregnant or just a little bit pregnant, you are pregnant or you arent!"....You either giveyourself to the divine..wholly or you do not!...

yesthere are mystics that seek to retain the self....these are socalled "black magic/k" or left hand path or simply evil mystics...It is NEVER about "ME"...it is about "ALL"...You're eithergiving...or you're just "pretending"You are God...in the sense that you are a part of God..sure...but tomake the self as important or more important than the ALL/God....is blasphemy......

"And with this ring I wed thee trueAnd with this ring I wed thee now"
---the smashing pumpkins

> > So the goal of a mystic is to be dissolved into the all? There is no > intention of returning, sort of to bring Kether into MAlkuth, or more > kether I guess, or something like that...> > What do they think is going to happen when they succeed?> Does one stumble on a successful mystic sitting in a puddle of their > own drool and urine because they've given their sense of self > completely to the all?>

kether is already in malkuth.....
kether is closer to malkuth than it is to binah

12. Into blinding darkness enter those who worship the unmanifest and into still greater darkness those who take delight in the manifest.

13. Different indeed they declare what results from the manifest and distinct they say what comes out of the unmanifest. This is what we heard from the wise who explained these truths to us.

14. He who understands both the manifest and the unmanifest together, crosses death through the unmanifest and attains immortality through the manifest.
The ISa Upanishad.

Thus we see that the manifest is as important as the unmanifest. To say that the manifest is evil is merely POLARITY. To take it literally is to state that FORM is superflous and unimportant. Thus why even incarnate at all? Why not shoot yourself in the head and ease your suffering and make yourself incorporeal QUICKER? (http://hinduwebsite.com/isa.htm

This is the declaration of the ultimate truth, the utterance that one is indeed God himself that comes of out the experience of the union of self with God and the experience that all is one. --commentary on verse 12-16 of the ISa Upanishad)

"All matter is from your mind and through meditation you get past the material and achieve the great perfection.

" Indeed ALL are one there is no manifest OR unmanifest(I forget the Gnostic terms I was discussing these terms this very saturday). There just IS. Is God Sophia? Is God "the tetragrammaton"? YES

the # 4 IS the FIRST Number To "ADD" To 10 (Malkuth)
1 + 2 + 3 + 4 = 10;)
and The # 5 in Hebrew Numeration = 5 (The Number of Man ) or the 4 Elements + the Quint~Essence! (or that Most Popular STAR of 5 points in Many Traditions)

5 = 6 As 1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 5 = 15

and 1 + 5 = 6 (6=tiffereth"harmonious/beauty)

For Those Who Just Look At the Letters of Hebrew

Which I'll explicate on Later in Much More Detail and Regards to Malkuth!
For Now>>>>
Malkuth IS
MEM = 40Lamed = 30kaph = 20Vav = 6Tav = 400
So Malkuth = # 496 in Addition of the Hebrew Numerations>
Which When Added Together = 496

496 = 10 (malkuth)

4 + 9 + 6 = 19 = 1 + 9 = 10 = 1 + 0 = 1

This Refers to the Axiom that Kether IS In Malkuth> And Malkuth IS in Kether>>>But of a Different(or Other)Manner.

One Might Also Look at the # 496 As the "Combination of the 4th/6th And 10 Saphires/Sephira)

NOTE ALSO<> That The Number 496 = 4 + 15!

In the Sefer Yetzirah kaplan discusses Oroboros..does he not....the end is the beginning is the end..... he states 2 polar opposites...lets say kether and malkuth.....lets call them past(kether) future(malkuth).....now if these were 2 imaginary points...polar opposites..that stretch out for infinity in opposite dirtections...

kaplan states they reach a point of infinity...and eventually come back upon them selves...and meet..(this is modern maths.....pardon my ignorance I'm just saying what kaplan said).....thus the end is the beginning is the end......

Indeed some forms of kabbalah teach that kether is closer to malkuth than it is to chockmah....... this fits in nicely with many ideas such a hindu and buddhist thought that states the end is indeed the beginning.....we can also see this in western esoteric thought....

the divine trinity of creation destruction and redemtion.....which is the same as the Rosicrucian trinity of

"Ex Deo nascimur.
In Jesu Morimur
Per Spiritum Sanctum reviviscimus."

We are born in God...we die in Christ and are reborn in the Holy SPirit.......

so creation destruction redemption is again much like the kabbalist (and many others) idea of a return to a better state.....the end is the beginning is the end....

this also fits in with 1 modern alternative to the standard big bang idea that states such as I have said above....creation....destruction...creation...an endless cycle....

The end is the beginning is the end....
--Hoomer
(I think this will answe your question? maybe...lol)